The Truth About Reincarnation and Spirits – session 1

This document is a transcript of a seminar on the subject of, the process of incarnation, reincarnation and progression in the spirit world.

Seminar conducted on 5th August 2012 At Belo Horizonte, Brazil

1.  Introduction

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Jesus2:

Is everyone well today? The reason why we have all four of us here today is that Mary is going to do some channelling for us, I am going to speak to the spirits that Mary channels, Adriana is going to translate what I say and Isabella is going to translate what the spirits say.

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Mary3:

Let’s see how it goes. (Laughter)

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Jesus:

And we will see how it all goes. The big problem we will have is slowing down the spirits so that Isabella has time to translate them. So we’ll see how this works. It’s an experiment.

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The reason we wanted to do this today as the start of our session is because we had quite a number of spirits come and visit us, myself and Mary, last night. Some of those spirits were famous people in Brazil and others are people who are just general people that many of you would not know. So we’ve decided we’re going to start with some women spirits who wanted to speak to me about reincarnation.

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Okay, well let’s get started. The key for each of you is to be patient and to not project your fear or anger or frustration onto the spirits. We want to allow them to come and say exactly what they want and if they feel your emotions towards them as negative then they will find it difficult to speak. So we’ll proceed now.

2.  Mediumship with Mary about reincarnation and spiritual growth

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Mary (Gloria):

Hello, my name is Gloria and I come as a representative of a group of women. We are guides to many of the women here in this audience. We have heard your discussion yesterday and we feel you are misguided about many things. However we would like to present some questions in a discussion with you.

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Jesus:

That would be good.

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Mary (Gloria):

There is the issue that you spoke of, of reincarnation. This is something that we know to be true and yet you are saying that it is not in the way that we understand it, and we wish to understand what it is you mean.

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2 Also known as Alan John Miller, or AJ.

3 Mary Magdalene. Also known as Mary Suzanne Luck.

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Jesus:

May I ask how you know it to be true?

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Mary (Gloria):

This is a truth that is common among us and we simply know it is something that occurs. We were aware of its existence before we passed from the earth and we observed many spirits or many of us who are able to make connections again upon the earth.

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Jesus:

Do you mind if I ask you some questions about those connections?

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Mary (Gloria):

Of course not.

2.1.  Many spirits believe they are reincarnating when they are over-cloaking babies

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Jesus:

When you say you’ve been able to make connections again with people on earth, what kind of connections have you been making?

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Mary (Gloria):

We observed two different types. For example those such as myself act as guides to many women before it is our time to reincarnate. However there are others we observe who re-enter the earth realm as a child is born and they begin to have their life again, a different life, upon the earth.

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Jesus:

Can you still see those people attached to the child’s body?

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Mary (Gloria):

They retain their spirit body, which we see is connected to this new body.

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Jesus:

And can you see that this new body also has a spirit body of its own?

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Mary (Gloria):

Of what do you refer to?

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Jesus:

Well the new child that is born has its physical body that you can see, yes?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

And can you also see that the new child that is born has a spirit body that is very, very similar to the physical body?

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Mary (Gloria):

No. This is how we know it is a reincarnation. We see that the person who has passed has still the same body and this attaches to the body of the person on the earth.

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Jesus:

The reason why this is happening is that you cannot see the spirit body of the new child on earth. Can I explain the reason why? The reason why you cannot see the spirit body of this new child is that the new child is brighter than what you can possibly see. So what I’m going to do is ask some other spirits to come to you who will be able to show you the spirit body of the child.

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Mary (Gloria):

At times we see that there is some other attachment to this body but what we see is that as the person who is reincarnating re-enters this realm it attaches to this form. And we feel that the first form must be their new vehicle for the person to re-attach to and this creates the reincarnation.

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Jesus:

I can explain what is actually happening though. The new child that is born has both a physical body and a spirit body. What is happening when you try to reincarnate is that you are connecting to the spirit body of the child and therefore the spirit body of the child is being over-cloaked by you.

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Mary (Gloria):

This is not the case for myself.

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Jesus:

Well you have not reincarnated, is that true?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

Okay, so you are just observing what you believe is the reincarnation of others?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes, and this is how we know it is a truthful thing that occurs.

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Jesus:

And what I’m stating to you is that this is not a reincarnation but rather an over-cloaking of a person on earth by a spirit.

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Mary (Gloria):

And what is the difference?

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Jesus:

Well the spirit who is over-cloaking the child is now actually influencing the child to do what the spirit wants and often you will also observe that if the spirit has any physical problems with their spirit body they also impose those physical problems upon the child’s body. This is the cause of many childhood and post-birth illnesses and sicknesses on the planet.

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Mary (Gloria):

This is not clear to us, what you wish to express. Is this not the way that one must reincarnate though?

2.2.  Reincarnation is not necessary to progress spiritually

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Jesus:

Well firstly there is no need for a person to reincarnate to earth in order to progress. In fact I can bring to you many spirits who have never reincarnated to earth but who have progressed. Would you like to meet some of those spirits?

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Mary (Gloria):

We do not accept this as a truth.

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Jesus:

But if I can bring you some spirits who can explain to you how they have progressed in the spirit world by not coming to earth then you may see that reincarnation is not something that is necessary in order to progress.

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Mary (Gloria):

If you may humour us for a moment we do not understand what is progress if it is not to reincarnate?

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Jesus:

Well progression is really about the condition of love in the individual. The way the spirit world is organised, is that you cannot progress to higher levels in the spirit world without making transitions into higher states of love.

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Mary (Gloria):

So you wish to express that there is more than where we are and the earth. Is this what you are saying?

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Jesus:

This is correct.

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Mary (Gloria):

We were only aware that there is where we are. We may have the role of guiding and protecting others while still on the earth, or that we should reincarnate in order to heighten what we believed was our development. But we were aware of where we are physically, or the earth, and nothing more. In fact we view the earth as a place for progression.

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Jesus:

Yes and what I’m suggesting to you is that actually the earth is not the only place in which you can progress but rather there are other places in the spirit world that you are yet to visit that are in higher conditions of love that you can actually go into without coming to earth.

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Mary (Gloria):

How is it that we do not know this?

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Jesus:

Well, because you believed in reincarnation when you were on the earth you have not been open to that teaching being false when you entered the spirit world.

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Mary (Gloria):

But surely there should be some way that we would know this. How can I know that we can trust you?

2.3.  Brighter spirits come to visit the channelling spirits

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Jesus:

Well you don’t need to worry about trusting me because I can show you the other spirits who have not come to earth to progress and they can actually hold your hand and show you the other places in the spirit world that exist. But they can only do that temporarily because in the end you will have to progress in love to reach those conditions. What I suggest is that you let me bring these people to you and then we can explain to you why you haven’t heard of this before.

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Mary (Gloria):

We need to discuss this.

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Jesus:

May I suggest that it is better to actually have the event occur and then you can have a discussion afterwards? It is not logical to have a discussion about an event that has not yet occurred.

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Mary (Gloria):

The issue which we wish to discuss is that of whether we may trust you and whether there is some way in which trickery may be involved here.

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Jesus:

I understand your concern but you cannot actually degrade in your condition by having this event occur so after you’ve investigated you can always return to exactly the same place that you are currently in.

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Mary (Gloria):

Okay.

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Jesus:

Well I’m going to ask for quite a lot of spirits to come to help you because I know that you are large in number. So can you now see there are spirits who are a bit brighter than yourself who have come to you?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes we see, we see them.

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Jesus:

Have you seen them before?

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Mary (Gloria):

No, and we see that they are different in appearance to us but they… you described them as brighter.

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Jesus:

Perhaps more transparent is the best word.

2.3.1.  Brighter spirits who are more progressed in love appear younger than darker spirits

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes we see this but we see them … you must understand that when one develops with age and maturity they have more wisdom.

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Jesus:

So what you’re commenting about is their age?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

You, all of you women together, look very old in comparison to these spirits who have come to you?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes we have grown in our wisdom and our appearance displays this.

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Jesus:

So you associate old age with the appearance and also being wise?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes, these ones seem very young and young in their behaviour.

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Jesus:

So they’re happy and spontaneous?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes, playing.

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Jesus:

And you feel that this frivolous nature indicates their lack of development?

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Mary (Gloria):

It’s just that they are younger, not that they are bad.

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Jesus:

Can I ask a few of them to tell you exactly their age since the time they were born on earth?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

So what do you find their age to be?

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Mary (Gloria):

It seems that some are quite old.

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Jesus:

How old are some of them?

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Mary (Gloria):

Over one thousand years old.

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Jesus:

And yet they look very young.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

So the question has to be asked how can they be so old and look so young?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

Can you think of an explanation that’s possible?

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Mary (Gloria):

Is it possible that they have reincarnated many times and they are now taking on the appearance of a more recent life?

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Jesus:

Well why don’t we ask them?

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Mary (Gloria):

They say no.

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Jesus:

Have any of them reincarnated?

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Mary (Gloria):

We don’t understand how this is possible.

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Jesus:

What was the answer, have any of them reincarnated?

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Mary (Gloria):

No.

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Jesus:

So the question then becomes how they can look so young when they’re so old and yet they have not reincarnated.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes, we would like to know.

2.4.  Brighter spirits take the spirits to a higher dimension in the spirit world

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Jesus:

Well, before we show you the answer to that, remember I referred to the other places in the spirit world that are higher than where you are currently? Would you like to see whether such locations exist?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

Well all you need to do is you need to stay close by one of those spirits and they will take you to the next sphere or dimension in the spirit world. They will do this is by loaning you energy of love so that they can show you some things. So all you need to do is just trust them for a moment but you can always leave them and come  back to where you are.

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Mary (Gloria):

Okay.

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Jesus:

Let’s do that for a few seconds because that’s all it will take for you to see where they live.

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Mary (Gloria):

We are preparing.

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Jesus:

What are they showing you? You can describe it for us.

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Mary (Gloria):

A place so beautiful: it is full of colour and light and everyone has many things.

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Jesus:

Material things!

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes and everyone seems young and lively and moving.

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Jesus:

Which is not something you’ve been doing very much?

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Mary (Gloria):

No we have seen our work as very important here on the earth, to guide and protect these ones we have been with. We see this as a noble duty that we have undertaken and these brighter people we see now, what is their duty, obligation? What are they doing?

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Jesus:

Well everyone in the spirit world does have work to do but it is work driven by their desires but for the work to be effective the desire needs to be in harmony with truth and with love. So you have been teaching people on earth that it is impossible to progress without coming back to earth, but what these people in front of you are demonstrating is that it is possible to not come to earth and to progress.

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Mary (Gloria):

But it seems that the life they are having is so completely different to what seems normal.

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Jesus:

That is correct; it’s different to what you view as normal. Remember at the beginning of this discussion you believed that there was only the location where you lived and the earth?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

And what we’ve demonstrated is that there is actually another location above the location that you have been in and that location is much better than what you imagined. The spirits who have loaned you their love to take you to that location have progressed to that location and beyond without returning to earth.

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Mary (Gloria):

This raises many questions for us now surrounding the purpose and meaning of the life and ourselves.

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Jesus:

Yes, what has happened for yourselves is that you have placed yourself in a role that you believed was right.

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Mary (Gloria):

We believe that it is right with everything that we are.

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Jesus:

But actually it has not been in harmony with the laws and principles related to love and truth, when you believe that you consign yourself, you tie yourself to the role you have created for yourself without discovering your true potential in the spirit world. The spirits who have come to you have shown you some of their potential and they can even demonstrate some even more powerful things about their potential. But you will not be able to embrace that potential without going through changes similar to those they have gone through.

2.4.1. False beliefs of the spirits about how to care for people on earth

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Mary (Gloria):

But what of this purpose to care for those upon the earth? We have felt that we have some sort of goodness in this desire. Many of us have waited to reincarnate in order to fulfil this purpose.

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Jesus:

But unfortunately what you have been doing is creating further problems on earth because the little children are becoming over-cloaked with adult spirits and then those adult spirits are influencing those children to have a life that they would not normally have chosen. This is not in harmony with love of those particular people. So even though you had an idea of what the truth was it does not mean that your idea was correct. And unfortunately when there is any incorrect idea it causes further problems on earth.

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Mary (Gloria):

There is much discussion amongst us now.

2.5.  Progression to higher spheres in the spirit world occurs by growing in love

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Jesus:

I’m happy to answer any further questions that you have but I would also like to show you how to progress to these other locations.

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Mary (Gloria):

How is this possible?

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Jesus:

Remember I said that each area in the spirit world is a new condition of love?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

That means that to get to the new condition in the spirit world there has to be a transformation in love inside of yourself. Currently many of you or all of you believe that you are already loving.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes, this is something we have known. However now there is much confusion.

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Jesus:

The reality is that your definition of love is different to God’s definition of love. God, who created the universe and all of the things in it, has made a whole series of laws surrounding love. In the process of doing this God has given each of us the free will to decide to be more loving, but that is going to mean being humble enough to see when we’re being unloving. Because you have closed yourself to new teachings these things have not been able to be presented to you before. Can I ask how long you have been in the spirit world?

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Mary (Gloria):

Three hundred years approximately. Myself, three hundred years but there are others among the group who have been longer, and we have learnt from those people. Some others in the group have been here for a shorter time and we are teaching them.

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Jesus:

These spirits who came to you ‒ many of them have lived much longer but they look completely different to yourself. They are much, much younger in their appearance and more beautiful looking. This is a result of the love that is in their soul.

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Mary (Gloria):

As you say there is much for us to think of now.

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Jesus:

May I make some suggestions with regard to the course of direction of investigation?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

Did many of you believe there was a God?

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Mary (Gloria):

No.

2.6.  Most people who believe they are reincarnated are over-cloaked by spirits

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Jesus:

What did you believe before you passed into the spirit world?

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Mary (Gloria):

This has changed somewhat since I entered the spirit world because I learnt from others who were here surrounding this issue of reincarnation. When I was on earth I was aware of having the experience of other lives, memories, and when I entered the spirit world many educated me on what was happening.

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Jesus:

But unfortunately you were not told the truth of these memories, because these memories were the results of these spirits over-cloaking you while you were on earth. During this connection they told you about their life and then you assumed that their life was yours.

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Mary (Gloria):

Again this is much to consider.

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Jesus:

May I show you some of the spirits who over-cloaked you?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

What we’ll do is we will ask one of these bright spirits to find those spirits who over-cloaked you, and if they are willing they will bring those spirits to you now.

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Mary (Gloria):

There are some here already.

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Jesus:

Now if you question them about their life you will find that it is exactly the same as the memory you thought you had about your own life.

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Mary (Gloria):

I see this already. This is a revelation.

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Jesus:

You see many spirits in the spirit world have for a long time believed in reincarnation. So they over-cloak the next generation of people on earth and they teach them the same things they themselves have learnt but unfortunately those things they are teaching are incorrect. It is just their understanding of it but it is not the truth of what happens.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes, we felt this was our loving duty to guide those of our family who were still on earth to understand the truths.

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Jesus:

But before we can explain a truth to somebody we must make sure first that we know the truth ourselves.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes, and I myself am feeling some sadness, some sorrow now because I learnt from many here what I believed was truth and now I feel some concern that this was not truth.

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Jesus:

And you are right to be concerned, but it is very important now to discover the truth, not only for yourself but also for the people whom you may teach.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

We have learnt so far in this discussion that there are layers in the spirit world that are all separated by love and we have also learnt that you can progress to the new condition without returning to earth as long as you grow in love. So there is no need for a seemingly endless cycle of lives on earth because you can progress without coming to earth at all. As long as you have incarnated once on earth you can then progress in the spirit world.

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We have also learnt that every new baby has its own spirit body and it would not be right for a spirit to influence that body because each new child has its own will and therefore should exercise that will in its own way without being influenced.

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Mary (Gloria):

But this is occurring so much.

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Jesus:

I agree; billions of people are doing this on earth, yes.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes.

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Jesus:

And because it’s happening to billions of people on earth, many people on earth now believe in reincarnation. But if there is no need to return to earth in order to progress, then this constant cycle of over-cloaking children on earth is very damaging, not only to the spirit who is over-cloaking the child but also to the child itself.

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Mary (Gloria):

There is much for us to consider in what you have said.

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Jesus:

May I continue to discuss a few more things with you though?

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes but there is …

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Jesus:

I know all of you are feeling quite agitated and there are emotions coming up now in you where you feel sad and confused. But if I can give you some help to go through those emotions that would be good.

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Mary (Gloria):

Okay.

2.7.  How to progress in love rapidly in the spirit world ‒ by connecting to God

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Jesus:

Remember I said that to go to the new conditions in the spirit world there needs to be a growth in love? There are two ways to grow in love. One way is the methods which you have already been experimenting with and another way involves God, who does exist and who has constructed the entire universe.

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Mary (Gloria):

Okay.

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Jesus:

The slow way of progressing is the way that you have already been doing. The fast way of progressing is to progress with God.

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Mary (Gloria):

So you mean that the slow way is to attempt the reincarnation and to stay with the earth and the fast way is to go in the direction of God?

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Jesus:

I can feel that you are not very convinced but let’s talk about this more. There are many religious ideas on earth but very few of these religious ideas are the truth. The reason why this has occurred is that there are many spirits in the spirit world who have put these ideas into the minds of men on earth. It is far better to connect with God who created all things in order to find out the truth. When you do that you have the ability to actually receive truth very rapidly and therefore to progress very rapidly in love.

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If I could describe the process which is very simple to understand.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes, if you can be quick because there is much confusion; there is much that we need to discover from what you have said.

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Jesus:

Well this just involves a short experiment with God. The way to communicate with God is from your heart. At the moment many of you are feeling feelings of sadness about teaching other people untruth.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes, many.

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Jesus:

If you can now allow yourself to feel these feelings that you have of sadness and ask God to help you feel them and ask God to help you to go through the feelings so that they are no longer in you, and ask God for some love to help you through this process. But it has to come from the heart; it cannot come from your mind.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes we see.

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Jesus:

Now if you allow yourself to do that just for a moment you will notice that there is light now that starts to enter you; already many of you are crying as this light is entering you. If you allow that to continue to occur and you observe that in each other you will see that the spirit body of each other has become brighter. So this is involving your feelings and allowing yourself to feel your feelings even if they are bad.

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Now the bright spirits that I brought to you in the beginning, they understand this process of engaging God and having a relationship with God. I would suggest to you that you listen to them more carefully about how to engage that same relationship. You’ll find that your own happiness will improve after you have had some grief to feel. You will also notice that you’ll become more soft and feminine and this is a result of releasing from you some of the bad feelings you have from the earth life.

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Mary (Gloria):

There is some distress amongst us about the level of the sadness. I do not wish to display this in front of others.

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Jesus:

So you’d like to go.

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Mary (Gloria):

Yes please.

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Jesus:

Can I say you can return at another time and we can discuss this further?

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Mary (Gloria):

This is possible.

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Jesus:

Just allow yourself to feel your emotions now and there’ll be time to find out more about the truth in time.

3. Discussion about the channelling

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Jesus:

The truth is that many spirits do not understand what they are doing when they try to reincarnate. As a result of that they over-cloak children on earth and they often remain over-cloaked to that child for the rest of the child’s existence. Some of them actually over-cloak the child while they’re in the womb of their own mother. As a result of that many children have genetic defects and other problems due to the spirits interfering with the energy systems of the spirit body of the child. And this is what these spirits could see occurring on earth after I explained it to them.

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Many of you have questions about this, which I think we shall answer and after we will do another channelling if you’re feeling up to it. What we will do now is Mary can relax for a while and I can answer your questions about the channelling that was just experienced.

3.1.  Understanding the truth protects us from being over-cloaked

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Participant Female:

How do we protect ourselves from the friends of these spirits?

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Jesus:

This is a very important discussion that we need to have, that involves a number of things. The primary way to protect yourself is to understand the truth. When you believe in things that are erroneous you open yourself up to influence from spirits without knowing, and then often those spirits influence you for the rest of your life. So what we need to do during the discussion we are going to have soon about spirits, is talk about what is actually happening and how you can assist yourself to stop it from happening. But we’ll do that in a discussion format because there are many sides to that question.

3.2.  An example of a child with Down syndrome

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Participant Female:

I have a son with Down syndrome. I’d like you to repeat the explanation for that.

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Jesus:

Many genetic problems – of which Down syndrome is one – are caused by a mixture of the parents’ emotions attracting a spirit who then over-cloaks the child while the child is in the womb. This then influences the genetic development of the child in the womb.

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Participant Female:

So I attracted a spirit that wasn’t good? A sick spirit?

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Jesus:

Yes basically the spirit is a sick spirit. But it is not just the mother who attracts the spirit; it is both the mother and the father.

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Participant Female:

So we attract a spirit that wasn’t nice, who was also sick?

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Jesus:

That’s correct.

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Participant Female:

He died when he was four so is his spirit still sick?

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Jesus:

Your son died when he was four?

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Participant Female:

Yes he died when he was four. He died from heart surgery. Is his spirit still sick? Is he going to reincarnate in sick children?

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Jesus:

Your son has been looked after, nursed by a spirit who was of higher development who knows the truth that there is no reincarnation. So your son has not attempted to reincarnate into another child. When your son passed over into the spirit world he saw the spirit who had over-cloaked him all of his life on earth. The spirit who over-cloaked him while he was on earth is still attempting to over-cloak other children, but your son has not attempted to over-cloak another child because your son knows the truth.

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Participant Female:

If it was my and the father’s mistake, if we had our child younger could we have done it in a different way, so as to not attract those spirits?

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Jesus:

Very good question! The main problem that many people have on earth is that they are opening themselves up to much spirit influence without knowing how they open themselves up. They believe that they open themselves up by some kind of intellectual intention, but that is not true. The way you open up to spirits is through unhealed emotional conditions inside of your soul. What I would like to do today later after we have discussed this issue of reincarnation, is discuss how to stop this influence from the spirit world occurring, but that is detailed information that I need to give you.

3.3.  A large number of children are born on earth with spirit attachments

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Participant Female:

Are all children over-cloaked by spirits when they are born?

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Jesus:

It generally does not happen to every child that is born, but the reality is that on the earth today a very large majority of children are born with spirit attachments. These spirits range from spirits who are religious to those who are into New Age belief systems. So when I mention religions I’m referring to the Christian religions, and also the Buddhist and Muslim religions, right through to people who have no beliefs whatsoever about a God or a spirit world. In fact I have met many people who believe there is no spirit world who are over-cloaked by a spirit telling them that. Unfortunately many of us are very open to this influence and as a result of that we don’t even know half the time whether our life is our own or not.

3.4.  The purpose of incarnation is to experience life and learn

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Participant Male:

What is the reason for incarnation? Why do some babies die when they are stillborn or a month old, while others live up to a hundred years?

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Jesus:

The main purpose of incarnation is that we begin a life experience. During this life experience we learn about ourselves and also about the universe that God has created for us to play in. So God provided, through Her love, this beautiful process of learning how to discover yourself. This process begins on earth but continues through the rest of your existence all through different areas; what you would call dimensions of the spirit world. And each dimension, including the physical universe, has been created by God in order for us to learn things that the next dimension uses. Unfortunately many people on earth never learn the things God intended them to learn on earth and so when they enter the spirit world they find life very difficult for a period of time.

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Now sometimes that period of time is a short period of time, like a few years but other times, like these spirits that Mary just channelled, three hundred years may go past without them changing. This is the result of false beliefs that are on the earth that are then carried with us into the spirit world.

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Many people on earth believe that when you pass over into the spirit world you automatically know all things, but this is a very, very damaging untruth. Generally the only thing you know more than what you knew when you were on earth is that you have passed, and that is it. Substantially you are no different to the person you were when you were here.

3.5.  Spirits surrounding babies contribute to stillbirths and miscarriages

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Jesus:

The reason why many miscarriages and stillbirths occur is because of the emotional conditions in both the parents and the spirits that surround the child at birth. Before the time of birth, before the nine months has finished, often the amount of emotional influence upon the new child is so great and unpleasant for the child to experience that the child spontaneously miscarries. As soon as the soul and spirit body of the child leave the physical body of the child, the physical body immediately dies.

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Sometimes these events occur soon after birth and the main reason why this is the case is because of spirits like those to whom we were just talking. Many of the spirits are surrounding the child at the time of birth, trying to reincarnate back onto the earth through this child and as a result these unpleasant connections cause the child itself to feel much distress. As the child feels distressed it then feels like it does not want to stay on earth, and many times it dies soon after.

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Participant Female:

Maybe even after one month of pregnancy?

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Jesus:

Many times it can occur even up to two years after pregnancy and birth, but if the child has survived longer than two years then often the child has become so used to the influence from the spirit world that the child accepts this as a part of itself.

3.6.  What happens to children when they die

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Participant Female:

What happens to the baby after they pass after just one month into the pregnancy?

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Jesus:

Let’s describe what happens to all of these children. The majority of these children, because they are newly born children who are all in their first incarnation on the earth, they are not highly attached to the earth. Nursing spirits who are of high spiritual development, who have a lot of love for the child, nurse the child in a place that is called Summerland. This place called Summerland is in the top of the first dimension of the spirit world. It looks very similar to earth in many ways; it has the same beauty as the most beautiful place on earth. These nursing mothers care for the child who has been from the earth for as long as the child desires that care. When the child decides that it no longer wishes to have that care then the child exercises its own will to go where it wants to in the spirit world. But where it can go will depend totally on its own development in love.

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I have spoken to many millions of children who have had a very, very short life on earth due to diseases from over-cloaking of spirits. Many of them make the transition from the first dimension into the second dimension and then they make their own choices as to whether they want to connect with God or not. If they connect to God then they progress very rapidly through the spirit dimensions but if they do their own thing in self-reliance then they progress quite slowly up until the sixth dimension, and then they cannot progress beyond the sixth dimension without connecting to God. So that’s what happens to our children when they die early.

3.7.  The reason for different life spans on earth

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Jesus:

Now another part of the gentleman’s question was why is it that some people last one hundred years while some die very quickly. This is completely dependent upon the emotional condition that surrounds the person’s life. There are severe influences upon the child from the spirit world or if the influence of the environment into which the child incarnates is negative in its nature, then the child will attract diseases or accidents throughout its life much earlier than it would normally do so and so therefore they pass before, as we call it, their time.

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If a person has had very little influence most of their life from spirits, or they have found the spirit influence very acceptable to their own existence, then they will last a much longer time on earth. The reality is that none of us need to die at all; we all have genetic structure that replicates itself every seven years. As long as there are no spirits or emotions from ourselves interfering with the process, we have the ability to live hundreds, or even thousands of years on earth.

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I have spoken in the spirit world to spirits who have lived almost one thousand years on earth, but this was very, very early in the development of this earth and nobody since then has lived that long. The emotional condition and the spirit influences increased over time and earth became very degraded in its condition and this causes much of our physical pain and suffering on the planet.

3.8.  Using medical treatments with the assistance of mediumship

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Participant Male:

I’m a physical therapist and I work with sick children and neurological diseases. I have interactions with many children and many families so can I be influenced by these spirits? How can I protect myself from this influence?

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Jesus:

There are a number of things happening for yourself. There are guiding spirits who are guiding your profession, who are attempting to show you the child’s pain by causing pain in your physical body in that location; this is the area that they are trying to show you that you need to look at. Oftentimes these children have spirits connected to them in that location and this is causing their pain in those locations. So sometimes when you examine a child and see no physical problem but the child is experiencing pain, it is due to these spirit influences.

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In addition, these spirit influences often cause the child to have accidents in these particular parts of their  bodies. Sometimes there is a strong correlation between the accident and the pain and the spirit who is involved. One way to handle these particular medical problems is to involve a medium who understands the relationship between the physical pain and the spirit causing it, but the problem for many mediums is that they do not  believe in these particular problems so it means finding a medium who is open to that belief.

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There are many great things that the medical profession could achieve if they understood the relationship between spirits and the causes of many diseases and problems on earth.

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Participant Male:

Is it very useful for me to evolve spiritually like a medium and become more mediumistic?

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Jesus:

Yes. Your personal guides are very passionate about helping you come to understand these particular relationships. Many doctors and people in the medical profession become quite frustrated with what is happening, particularly to children, but also adults in their care. And many times their spirit guides are trying to tell them what they could do to help the situation. The more you allow yourself to be open to the influence of your guides, who are very kind guides, the more effective you will become in the way in which you use your profession. It will be quite beautiful. Many people will come to you as a result, not understanding that you’ve been given much information from the spirit world to help.

3.9.  Past memories are usually created by spirit attachments

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Participant Male:

A spiritual master said some years ago that when we’re born there is an angel that silences with a touch on our lips and we forget about our experiences. But we can access these memories in spiritual practices.

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Jesus:

I feel you do not yet understand what is really being said to you today. The reason why is that these children that are being born have not had a previous existence, nor do they have memories. All of the memories of previous lives that come to them when they are born are the results of spirits over-cloaking them. The teaching that the angel comes to silence or clear the memory is just a way the spirits use to justify their behaviour and also to cause us to believe in reincarnation when we do not have memories.

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These spirits who come and do the silencing of the child are not really performing any service whatsoever; instead they are creating more untruth on the planet. I have in the past spoken to many millions of these spirits and after a discussion they realise their error and then they stop performing these services. But unfortunately

other spirits take up the service in their place because there are many billions of people currently on the planet who believe in reincarnation, and when they pass over into the spirit world they engage many of the things they were taught on earth.

4.  Spirits’ feelings and responses to the discussion

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Jesus:

Can we get the message from the women in the spirit world? And then we’ll engage more questions.

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Mary:

What happened was that the women went away and they started to deal with lots of these feelings that were coming up for them and there were other spirits observing the interaction that we had. One of the spirits was someone who spoke with us last night, but I felt very nervous to channel him today, and that was Chico Xavier. After we had the discussion with the women, many of whom felt that they were guiding you –the people in the audience in their lives – Chico became very impatient. He wanted to hear the truth, the full explanation, about reincarnation because he passed into the spirit world with this belief and he has spent many years feeling lost and having questions because what he thought would happen didn’t happen.

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I explained to him that AJ’s desire was to give a full explanation about the spirit world and reincarnation and he said after this discussion then he would like to speak with AJ personally but he could see it was important to have the explanation. Then all of the women who were guiding the audience came and stood with him and encouraged all of you in the audience to have the explanation because this would answer many questions. But they wanted to say that they could see that each of you has a burning feeling inside about your situation. So they’re saying to you to have patience, breathe and hear this full explanation because they would also like to have it now and they can see that they need more information to answer questions.

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Jesus:

You see many of our questions are selfishly motivated when it is far better if we can get a complete overview of the subject, which will answer many of our personal questions, and then we’ll be left with far less questions to answer.

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Mary:

And Chico says he has waited such a long time for precious knowledge and after the explanation then he would like to speak with everyone.

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Jesus:

Would you like to do that? Yes. So I think probably what we need to do now is have a break and then we proceed with the discussion about reincarnation, as to how reincarnation can actually occur. Then we will give Chico the opportunity to talk with you through Mary.